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"Break Away From It All"
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inelegy
2014-07-09 17:18:08 UTC
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Remember when Steve Howe played like he understood structure, variety, and arrangement?

Me neither.

That is until yesterday when "Break Away From It All" from _Beginnings_ unexpectedly shuffled onto my car's mp3 player. I mean, sure, we all know about his inspired, challenging playing on "The Ancient", "Sound Chaser", and "Gates Of Delirium" but it's easy to forget all of that in light of the overwhelming pile of recent examples to the contrary and TrueBeliever(R) fans who would have you think that he's still doing amazing work.

Having not heard "Break Away From It All" in many years, my first instinct was, "Well, here comes a polite, Steve Howe snooze fest." I'd forgotten about the amazing soloing and the sound palette he once possessed, and much of that former glory is present in this one short track from his first solo album.

His playing for most of the last twenty years has become so bland, clean, polite, and utterly lifeless. Frankly, it's a terrible, tragic loss. The dark, atonal guitar moments of pieces from the past make the ensuing beautiful moments shine all the more brilliantly.

Conversely, now, with everything in the guitar picture overlit and/or gauzy there's no longer any appreciable contrast in his sound.

Without shadow there is no light; when everything is pretty, nothing is pretty.

And so it that these days he offers up endless iterations of a fanfare-like triplet-filled ascending figure played in a very clean tone, and little else. The rut he is in is truly remarkable once you start listening for it.

Even something as trite as Asia's "Heat of the Moment" has some grit, variety, and distortion in its guitar picture, but those days and that way of thinking is now, apparently, irretrievably lost to Steve Howe as an honest listen to _Heaven & Earth_ sadly reveals.


y***@hotmail.com
2014-07-09 22:35:53 UTC
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It's been a decades-long wish of mine that Howe would re-release "Beginnings" with the instrumentation intact, but with other, more gifted vocalists singing the songs, he sounds fine doing harmonies, but a lead singer he is not.
As to your other points, if you're gonna point your finger at Howe then you should also point it at the rest of them, Anderson has been singing the same cliches to similar melodies for years now, most of them largely forgettable, Wakeman plays the same solo on every song that calls for a bit of improv, White has been phoning it in for ages, at least with Yes, and Squire, well, he's pretty much the same as he ever was, but I think he's in a race with Tom Scholz for the title of least prolific rocker lol. ;)
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Paul
inelegy
2014-07-10 00:21:31 UTC
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As to your other points, if you're gonna point your finger at Howe then you should also point it at the rest of them
Actually, no. One can point a finger at Howe and have a discussion about his slow motion spiral into self-parody. The others certainly have their problems, don't get me wrong. Back in the glory days of AMY I was regularly complaining about Wakeman for his terrible patch choices and uncreative solos.

The point is, if Ted in Sales is slacking off we can sit down to focus on him and discuss his value to the company without also getting into the problems of that bitch Mary in Accounting who calls in sick too often, or Dinesh in Web Design who takes long lunches.

That is if I were looking for a discussion . . . I was simply sharing a stuck-in-traffic revelatory moment brought on by a Steve Howe deep cut. For me, it really threw into sharp relief just how bad his playing and choices have become.
p***@msn.com
2014-07-10 04:32:56 UTC
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Post by inelegy
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As to your other points, if you're gonna point your finger at Howe then you should also point it at the rest of them
Actually, no. One can point a finger at Howe and have a discussion about his slow motion spiral into self-parody. The others certainly have their problems, don't get me wrong. Back in the glory days of AMY I was regularly complaining about Wakeman for his terrible patch choices and uncreative solos.
The point is, if Ted in Sales is slacking off we can sit down to focus on him and discuss his value to the company without also getting into the problems of that bitch Mary in Accounting who calls in sick too often, or Dinesh in Web Design who takes long lunches.
That is if I were looking for a discussion . . . I was simply sharing a stuck-in-traffic revelatory moment brought on by a Steve Howe deep cut. For me, it really threw into sharp relief just how bad his playing and choices have become.
Thanks for sharing the song...had forgotten it. I like Paul's idea of a rerelease with new vocals...

and yes, Steve and Chris have gotten dull. Anderson has done some retreads and some nice newer stuff too. he's a mixed bag for me.
inelegy
2014-07-10 15:59:12 UTC
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Another thing a listen to this piece reveals in contrast to Current Yes Product is how alive it sounds.

I'm not talking about having Bruford on drums (though that helps), but rather the lovely simplicity of the production and mixing. Specifically, you can hear a healthy amount of room tone and can almost see Howe's amp and mics in the recording space.

Realizing that it's a bit "apples and oranges" of me to compare solo material to band material, nonetheless contrast this with the sterility in the lifeless sound of the patchwork Frankenstein's monster sessioning and mixing of H&E.
p***@msn.com
2014-07-12 23:19:39 UTC
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Post by inelegy
Another thing a listen to this piece reveals in contrast to Current Yes Product is how alive it sounds.
Yes, it does sound more alive, more interesting.
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I'm not talking about having Bruford on drums (though that helps), but rather the lovely simplicity of the production and mixing. Specifically, you can hear a healthy amount of room tone and can almost see Howe's amp and mics in the recording space.
Realizing that it's a bit "apples and oranges" of me to compare solo material to band material, nonetheless contrast this with the sterility in the lifeless sound of the patchwork Frankenstein's monster sessioning and mixing of H&E.
H&E, listening to it, I feel like I'm listening to my kid's high school band and cheering for them that they are now actually playing music that sounds o.k. compared to junior high. There's a bit more to the music, but it's not Mozart or Stravinsky, but an improvement. H&E is like that. Sort of want to cheer for them, because they seemed to have tried here to make something good. But they just fall short each time.
n***@gmail.com
2014-07-14 18:58:38 UTC
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Nothing Yes has ever written or recorded is "Mozart or Stravinsky", if that's the bar you're setting it's little wonder you're disappointed. As far as H&E goes, I'm entirely satisfied, in terms of writing & performance, more so than anything they've released since the studio tracks on Keys2. I don't care for "In A World Of Our Own" but I enjoy every other song, some very much so. I guess it all depends on what you listen for in music, everyone has different tastes, but for me, all the ingredients that I want in Yes music are there. Sure I'd like it to be a little "heavier" but maybe a bunch of guys pushing 70 just don't want to *be* heavier. And that's fine, give me an album of beautiful songs and I'm happy.
And that's exactly what they've done, imo.

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Rob Allen
2014-07-14 19:37:48 UTC
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Nothing Yes has ever written or recorded is "Mozart or Stravinsky", if that's the bar you're setting it's little wonder you're disappointed. As far as H&E goes, I'm entirely satisfied, in terms of writing & performance, more so than anything they've released since the studio tracks on Keys2. I don't care for "In A World Of Our Own" but I enjoy every other song, some very much so. I guess it all depends on what you listen for in music, everyone has different tastes, but for me, all the ingredients that I want in Yes music are there. Sure I'd like it to be a little "heavier" but maybe a bunch of guys pushing 70 just don't want to *be* heavier. And that's fine, give me an album of beautiful songs and I'm happy.
And that's exactly what they've done, imo.
Certainly there's not accounting for taste.

However, when combined with willful ignorance it's just kinda *funny*.


Rob "and then there's the 'she tells me what to like' part..." Allen
y***@hotmail.com
2014-07-15 14:55:09 UTC
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What's "funny" to me Rob is here we have a guy, namely *you*, festooned from head to toe with Yes tattoos advertising a band you can no longer abide in their present day form---- they ~embarrass~ you, it would seem. Must be a difficult pill to swallow. But I guess it does explain why you've basically become a one-note-act on here.

Come to think of it, it's not funny after all, it's kinda *sad*.

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Paul
b***@gmail.com
2014-07-16 03:11:14 UTC
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What's "funny" to me Rob is here we have a guy, namely *you*, festooned from head to toe with Yes tattoos advertising a band you can no longer abide in their present day form---- they ~embarrass~ you, it would seem. Must be a difficult pill to swallow. But I guess it does explain why you've basically become a one-note-act on here.
Come to think of it, it's not funny after all, it's kinda *sad*.
He once said "Yes", now he says "No." Rob has changed professions from used car loan lender to Disability Insurance claims specialist. He failed to get an endorsement from the laundry detergent for obvious reasons.

Jon Davison is quite good. And yes, the rest of the band is pushing 70.
Tim
2014-07-19 02:37:00 UTC
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What's "funny" to me Rob is here we have a guy, namely *you*, festooned from head to toe with Yes tattoos advertising a band you can no longer abide in their present day form---- they ~embarrass~ you, it would seem. Must be a difficult pill to swallow. But I guess it does explain why you've basically become a one-note-act on here.>
Come to think of it, it's not funny after all, it's kinda *sad*.


He once said "Yes", now he says "No." Rob has changed professions from used car loan lender to Disability Insurance claims specialist. He failed to get an endorsement from the laundry detergent for obvious reasons.< <

Darn, I expected some fireworks after these comments.
p***@msn.com
2014-07-19 03:21:19 UTC
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What's "funny" to me Rob is here we have a guy, namely *you*, festooned from head to toe with Yes tattoos advertising a band you can no longer abide in their present day form---- they ~embarrass~ you, it would seem. Must be a difficult pill to swallow. But I guess it does explain why you've basically become a one-note-act on here.>
Come to think of it, it's not funny after all, it's kinda *sad*.
He once said "Yes", now he says "No." Rob has changed professions from used car loan lender to Disability Insurance claims specialist. He failed to get an endorsement from the laundry detergent for obvious reasons.< <
Darn, I expected some fireworks after these comments.
Why? the comments are about as inventive as the music on H&E...

it's a yawner

Jim
Bruce Adler
2014-07-26 19:27:07 UTC
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Would someone please ask Alan White to slow down!......and those time signatures....off the charts!!!
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