Official Yes Bootlegs!!!

[yessid]

This is an excellent idea. I've been waiting for something like this for
awhile now, thank god it's finally happening! The one I'd like to hear most
is a complete live Tales, preferably from a single show.

http://www.yesworld.com/

From the Yesworld site:

Official Yes Bootlegs

September 2, 2003 - Yes will be offering high-quality official "bootlegs"
through YesWorld. These are soundboard recordings of various shows that will
be properly mixed and offered to their fans. This service should begin
sometime this month. More details to come!

[YESONGS]

Subject: Official Yes Bootlegs!!!
September 2, 2003 - Yes will be offering high-quality official "bootlegs"
through YesWorld. These are soundboard recordings of various shows that will
be properly mixed and offered to their fans. This service should begin
sometime this month. More details to come!

Be still my heart

Eddie

[MRasicci]

Post by YESONGS

Subject: Official Yes Bootlegs!!!
September 2, 2003 - Yes will be offering high-quality official "bootlegs"
through YesWorld. These are soundboard recordings of various shows that will
be properly mixed and offered to their fans. This service should begin
sometime this month. More details to come!

Be still my heart
Eddie

I hear you! After a lousy wet summer it's great to have this awesome news.

MARK

[Steven Sullivan]

Hmmm...These are soundboard recordings of various *recent* shows
I seem to remember a recent interview with Steve Howe where he referred to a
collection of live soundboard recordings going back many years, which he
found buried in his house somewhere, and which he was proposing to release.
I guess these recent *bootlegs* are not those?
BTW - what is the difference between an official bootleg and a live album?

Presumably less post-show tinkering with the former.

A question for the aficionados here - although we all detest the illegal
practice of bootlegging and would never possess such material without
sending a voluntary royalty to the band, I would like to know which Yes
bootlegs are considered to be the best or most interesting or most highly
sought after.

That's at least two different categories.

[Colin Nicholls]

A question for the aficionados here - although we all detest the illegal
practice of bootlegging and would never possess such material without
sending a voluntary royalty to the band, I would like to know which Yes
bootlegs are considered to be the best or most interesting or most highly
sought after.

Wembley '78, especially the medley (Wakeman playing Relayer? Yup, don't
think it was a backing tape)

[Steven Sullivan]

Post by Colin Nicholls

A question for the aficionados here - although we all detest the illegal
practice of bootlegging and would never possess such material without
sending a voluntary royalty to the band, I would like to know which Yes
bootlegs are considered to be the best or most interesting or most highly
sought after.

Wembley '78, especially the medley (Wakeman playing Relayer? Yup, don't
think it was a backing tape)

It wasn't. But a backing tape might have sounded better.

[JimC]

Post by Colin Nicholls
Wembley '78, especially the medley (Wakeman playing Relayer? Yup, don't

think it was a backing tape)
I seem to remember recording a Wembley Yes concert that was broadcast on
Radio1 (maybe the Alan Freeman show on Sat afternoon - those were the days
eh? Not arf!)

It was a high quality stereo FM broadcast only a few days after I'd been to
the show, and I'm pretty sure it was 1978.

Or... am I getting my years mixed up? If I'm right then others will have
recorded the same show, so it can't be that rare can it? Having said that -
I don't have a clue what happened to my tapes. It was a 2 hour broadcast I
think.




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Post by Colin Nicholls

Post by Colin Nicholls
Wembley '78, especially the medley (Wakeman playing Relayer? Yup, don't

think it was a backing tape)
I seem to remember recording a Wembley Yes concert that was broadcast on
Radio1 (maybe the Alan Freeman show on Sat afternoon - those were the days
eh? Not arf!)

Bzzzt. Not fluff, but Tommy Vance and the Friday Rock Show - not once, but
twice.

Hugh

[JimC]

Post by Hugh Macpherson
Bzzzt. Not fluff, but Tommy Vance and the Friday Rock Show - not once, but

twice.

Of course - you are correct. I think I remember now. I can hear his voice
saying "Tonight you're in for a treat". Or perhaps that's just the voices
in my head.

So anyway - I got the right year. That must be worth 2 points. Just need to
find those tapes...




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Post by Hugh Macpherson

Post by Hugh Macpherson
Bzzzt. Not fluff, but Tommy Vance and the Friday Rock Show - not once, but

twice.
Of course - you are correct. I think I remember now. I can hear his voice
saying "Tonight you're in for a treat". Or perhaps that's just the voices
in my head.

Sorry Jim - re-read my post and I appear a bit smarmy and arrogant. Too long
hanging about this n.g. AFAI can recall, the Wembley show was a live
broadcast on the very first Friday Rock Show in 1978. It was repeated on the
FRS some time later in its entirety - I've got the tape of the re-broadcast.
It could possibly have been re-broadcast again on subsequent occasions.

Post by Hugh Macpherson
So anyway - I got the right year. That must be worth 2 points. Just need to
find those tapes...

Any number of boots from this period are falsely labelled and are actually
sourced from these broadcasts. I have LPs entitled The Periphet and Twelve
Towers at Dawn that are from this source.

Hugh

[Steven Sullivan]

Post by Hugh Macpherson

Post by Hugh Macpherson

Post by Hugh Macpherson
Bzzzt. Not fluff, but Tommy Vance and the Friday Rock Show - not once,

but

Post by Hugh Macpherson
twice.
Of course - you are correct. I think I remember now. I can hear his

voice

Post by Hugh Macpherson
saying "Tonight you're in for a treat". Or perhaps that's just the voices
in my head.

Sorry Jim - re-read my post and I appear a bit smarmy and arrogant. Too long
hanging about this n.g. AFAI can recall, the Wembley show was a live
broadcast on the very first Friday Rock Show in 1978. It was repeated on the
FRS some time later in its entirety - I've got the tape of the re-broadcast.
It could possibly have been re-broadcast again on subsequent occasions.

Post by Hugh Macpherson
So anyway - I got the right year. That must be worth 2 points. Just need

to

Post by Hugh Macpherson
find those tapes...

Any number of boots from this period are falsely labelled and are actually
sourced from these broadcasts. I have LPs entitled The Periphet and Twelve
Towers at Dawn that are from this source.

It is also commonly listed as being a 'Los Angeles 178' preformance.

[Jim]

Post by Hugh Macpherson
Sorry Jim - re-read my post and I appear a bit smarmy and arrogant.

No you don't - not in the slightest. Straight answer to a straight
question. Much appreciated.

Post by Hugh Macpherson
AFAI can recall, the Wembley show was a live broadcast on the very first

Friday Rock Show in 1978. It was repeated on the FRS some time later in its
entirety - I've got the tape of the re-broadcast. It could possibly have
been re-broadcast again on subsequent occasions.

I'm in no position to argue about dates. I don't even remember what night I
went. OK... must have been a Saturday cos I remember posing around in
London nearly all day and I wouldn't skive off school. Oh no not me.

I do remember being stunned by the event - more so than my first 2 Yes
experiences: GFTO and QPR. Starship Trooper stands out in my mind to this
day. (All I need now is someone to tell me they didn't do it that night ha
ha).

I know I taped it after the event (er... obviously) a couple of weeks I
would guess. I played the tape constantly for months. I hadn't heard a live
recording that good (until Seconds Out - same year I think - saw Genesis at
Earls Court, and a live Genesis broadcast, incredibly *also* on radio1 which
I taped and also lost - but who needs tapes when there is Seconds Out).

I thought all live recordings were doomed to sound like Yessongs. QPR on
OGWT was crap thanks to my TV sound system (one inch speaker but hey! We had
colour!). I remember telling my girlfriend at the time - who I had forced to
watch the programme - "But I was there and it sounded fantastic. No really
it did!"

Oops. Rambling.

[Hugh Macpherson]

Post by Jim

Post by Hugh Macpherson
Sorry Jim - re-read my post and I appear a bit smarmy and arrogant.

No you don't - not in the slightest. Straight answer to a straight
question. Much appreciated.

Nah...it was arrogant. Not my (usual) style.

Post by Jim
I know I taped it after the event (er... obviously) a couple of weeks I
would guess. I played the tape constantly for months. I hadn't heard a live
recording that good (until Seconds Out - same year I think - saw Genesis at
Earls Court, and a live Genesis broadcast, incredibly *also* on radio1 which
I taped and also lost - but who needs tapes when there is Seconds Out).

Yep..taped that broadcast too!

Hugh

[Goon]

Post by Hugh Macpherson
Any number of boots from this period are falsely labelled and are actually
sourced from these broadcasts. I have LPs entitled The Periphet and Twelve
Towers at Dawn that are from this source.

My 'Perpihet' (4cd, 2 shows) isn't either of the Wembley performace,
perhaps it's a different boot.

This leads me to ask a question (again) - what in god's name is
'periphet'?!
--
Jon P. Moran

[Henry Potts]

Post by Goon

Post by Hugh Macpherson
Any number of boots from this period are falsely labelled and are actually
sourced from these broadcasts. I have LPs entitled The Periphet and Twelve
Towers at Dawn that are from this source.

My 'Perpihet' (4cd, 2 shows) isn't either of the Wembley performace,
perhaps it's a different boot.
This leads me to ask a question (again) - what in god's name is
'periphet'?!

My 2-vol OED has nothing under 'periphet'. The nearest options are
'periphery' or 'peripety' (or 'peripeteia'/'peripetia'; "a sudden change
of fortune or reverse of circumstances").

[DLC]

Post by Henry Potts

Post by Goon

Post by Hugh Macpherson
Any number of boots from this period are falsely labelled and are actually
sourced from these broadcasts. I have LPs entitled The Periphet and Twelve
Towers at Dawn that are from this source.

My 'Perpihet' (4cd, 2 shows) isn't either of the Wembley performace,
perhaps it's a different boot.
This leads me to ask a question (again) - what in god's name is
'periphet'?!

My 2-vol OED has nothing under 'periphet'. The nearest options are
'periphery' or 'peripety' (or 'peripeteia'/'peripetia'; "a sudden change
of fortune or reverse of circumstances").
--

I thought it was an architectural term.

[John T]

Post by DLC

Post by Henry Potts

Post by Goon
This leads me to ask a question (again) - what in god's name is
'periphet'?!

My 2-vol OED has nothing under 'periphet'. The nearest options are
'periphery' or 'peripety' (or 'peripeteia'/'peripetia'; "a sudden change
of fortune or reverse of circumstances").
--

I thought it was an architectural term.

You're probably thinking of 'parapet'.

[DLC]

Post by John T

Post by DLC

Post by Henry Potts

Post by Goon
This leads me to ask a question (again) - what in god's name is
'periphet'?!

My 2-vol OED has nothing under 'periphet'. The nearest options are
'periphery' or 'peripety' (or 'peripeteia'/'peripetia'; "a sudden change
of fortune or reverse of circumstances").
--

I thought it was an architectural term.

You're probably thinking of 'parapet'.

Actually, I was just peripraising.

[Stephen Bruun]

Post by DLC
Actually, I was just peripraising.

No need to be so peripatetic. That's just pathetic.

--
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[Mike Smith]

Post by Stephen Bruun

Post by DLC
Actually, I was just peripraising.

No need to be so peripatetic. That's just pathetic.

Peripathetic, even.

--
Mike Smith

[gmelin]

Stephen Bruun <***@OWNstarpowerEYES.net> wrote in article
<bjibm4$dqt$***@bob.news.rcn.net>...
: DLC <***@cox.net> wrote in message
: news:mFV6b.49542$***@fed1read07...
: >
: > Actually, I was just peripraising.
:
: No need to be so peripatetic. That's just pathetic.

You're just a pair o' pathetic peripatetics.

(Okay, so that's from _Calvin and Hobbes_.)

[Steven Sullivan]

Post by Zorknapp

Post by Henry Potts

Post by Goon

Post by Hugh Macpherson
Any number of boots from this period are falsely labelled and are

actually

Post by Henry Potts

Post by Goon

Post by Hugh Macpherson
sourced from these broadcasts. I have LPs entitled The Periphet and

Twelve

Post by Henry Potts

Post by Goon

Post by Hugh Macpherson
Towers at Dawn that are from this source.

My 'Perpihet' (4cd, 2 shows) isn't either of the Wembley performace,
perhaps it's a different boot.
This leads me to ask a question (again) - what in god's name is
'periphet'?!

My 2-vol OED has nothing under 'periphet'. The nearest options are
'periphery' or 'peripety' (or 'peripeteia'/'peripetia'; "a sudden change
of fortune or reverse of circumstances").
--

I thought it was an architectural term.

parapet

'periphet' turns up some icky dungeonss-n-dragons/magic-the-gathering type
sites if it's googled

[Stephen Bruun]

Post by Henry Potts
My 2-vol OED has nothing under 'periphet'.

Bet it doesn't have "wonderous" either. Or, from Jon's handwritten "3
Ships" lyrics, "chior."

--
To reply, remove YOUR OWN EYES

[gmelin]

Stephen Bruun <***@OWNstarpowerEYES.net> wrote in article
<bjfeq0$ji0$***@bob.news.rcn.net>...
: Henry Potts <***@REMOVETOEMAILbondegezou.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
: news:STrF7FBAhhW$***@bondegezou.demon.co.uk...
: > My 2-vol OED has nothing under 'periphet'.
:
: Bet it doesn't have "wonderous" either. Or, from Jon's handwritten "3
: Ships" lyrics, "chior."

What about "centruy"?

[Hugh Macpherson]

Post by Goon
This leads me to ask a question (again) - what in god's name is
'periphet'?!

..the same as a 'khatru' only not as big and a bit rounder at the end....

Hugh

[Dr S Butts MD]

It's all Greek to me

[Steven Sullivan]

Post by Colin Nicholls

Post by Colin Nicholls
Wembley '78, especially the medley (Wakeman playing Relayer? Yup, don't

think it was a backing tape)
I seem to remember recording a Wembley Yes concert that was broadcast on
Radio1 (maybe the Alan Freeman show on Sat afternoon - those were the days
eh? Not arf!)
It was a high quality stereo FM broadcast only a few days after I'd been to
the show, and I'm pretty sure it was 1978.

That's the one.

[Jeremy Weissenburger]

Hmmm...These are soundboard recordings of various *recent* shows
I seem to remember a recent interview with Steve Howe where he referred to a
collection of live soundboard recordings going back many years, which he
found buried in his house somewhere, and which he was proposing to release.
I guess these recent *bootlegs* are not those?
BTW - what is the difference between an official bootleg and a live album?
I think a live box set covering 35 years of live performance could be a
wonderful thing. I'd be interested to see people's suggestions for a track
listing.
A question for the aficionados here - although we all detest the illegal
practice of bootlegging and would never possess such material without
sending a voluntary royalty to the band, I would like to know which Yes
bootlegs are considered to be the best or most interesting or most highly
sought after.

Best as in best sounding? Or best performance?

One of the biggest sought after shows is a soundboard bootleg of a complete
show on the _TfTO_ tour.

Jeremy

[3243]

A question for the aficionados here - although we all detest the illegal

practice of bootlegging and would never possess such material without
sending a voluntary royalty to the band, I would like to know which Yes
bootlegs are considered to be the best or most interesting or most highly
sought after.

Best as in best sounding? Or best performance?
One of the biggest sought after shows is a soundboard bootleg of a complete
show on the _TfTO_ tour.

I'd gladly go for an official release of a live Tales show. I also
would be most interested in recording from the Relayer, 1976, Going
For The One, Tormato, Drama, and Masterworks shows.

[Marshall]

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:53:02 +0000 (UTC), "Jim"
<***@btinternet.com> shouted from the mountaintop:

<snip>

A question for the aficionados here - although we all detest the illegal
practice of bootlegging and would never possess such material without
sending a voluntary royalty to the band, I would like to know which Yes
bootlegs are considered to be the best or most interesting or most highly
sought after.

Well, there are quite a few, actually.
New Haven 7/24/71, Hollywood 6/21/75, NJ 6/17/76, Quebec 3/18/79 come
to mind as well as just about anything from the last few tours.

= = = = =
Marshall

[Henry Potts]

Hmmm...These are soundboard recordings of various *recent* shows

Indeed.

I seem to remember a recent interview with Steve Howe where he referred to a
collection of live soundboard recordings going back many years, which he
found buried in his house somewhere, and which he was proposing to release.
I guess these recent *bootlegs* are not those?

There are, presumably, more problems with releasing older shows in terms
of rights and possibly sound quality. However, hopefully if sales of
these recent shows are strong, that will encourage the band to expand
the scheme backwards.

BTW - what is the difference between an official bootleg and a live
album? [...]

None: it's just a marketing device. Well, people started to use the
'official bootleg' to stress that these were complete shows without any
fixes. Many live albums are taken from multiple shows. The 'official
bootleg' tag is also associated with schemes like this were the albums
are only available from the band rather than receiving a full release in
shops.

[Stephen Bruun]

Post by Henry Potts
Well, people started to use the
'official bootleg' to stress that these were complete shows without any
fixes. Many live albums are taken from multiple shows. The 'official
bootleg' tag is also associated with schemes like this were the albums
are only available from the band rather than receiving a full release in
shops.

The first time I ever saw the phrase "Official Bootleg" it was on the Paul
McCartney "Unplugged" CD (full title, "Unplugged: The Official Bootleg")
released in 1991.

Of course, that (1) was available in stores, (2) was not the complete show
and (3) did in fact feature some "fixes" such as the repair of a flubbed
lyric in "We Can Work It Out" (which is obvious from comparing the CD to the
un-fixed MTV broadcast).

Can anyone else think of an earlier (pre-1991) "Official Bootleg"?

--
To reply, remove YOUR OWN EYES

[Hugh Macpherson]

Post by Stephen Bruun
The first time I ever saw the phrase "Official Bootleg" it was on the Paul
McCartney "Unplugged" CD (full title, "Unplugged: The Official Bootleg")
released in 1991.
Can anyone else think of an earlier (pre-1991) "Official Bootleg"?

Aerosmith - Live Bootleg (1978) (record co release, but not "official" in
title)

The Blues Band - Official Bootleg (1980)

are the two that immediately spring to mind

Hugh

[DLC]

Post by yessid
This is an excellent idea. I've been waiting for something like this for
awhile now, thank god it's finally happening! The one I'd like to hear most
is a complete live Tales, preferably from a single show.
http://www.yesworld.com/
Official Yes Bootlegs
September 2, 2003 - Yes will be offering high-quality official "bootlegs"
through YesWorld. These are soundboard recordings of various shows that will
be properly mixed and offered to their fans. This service should begin
sometime this month. More details to come!

I wonder how far back they're talking here - Europe '03? Rat Keller Hamburg?
I also see they've officially canceled the Jakarta gig - I can almost hear
the huge sigh of relief.

[Todd Mitchell]

Post by DLC
I wonder how far back they're talking here - Europe '03? Rat Keller Hamburg?

Obviously the further the better. I'd take a Masterworks boot, along with maybe
Union, but the most interesting would be tours from Drama and before. Not being
one to traffic much in boots, this is good news.

Post by DLC
I also see they've officially canceled the Jakarta gig - I can almost hear
the huge sigh of relief.

al Queda: 1 Yes: 0

Todd

"Bitchery and Abomination! Abomination and Bitchery!" William Faulkner

[Grunt]

Post by Todd Mitchell

Post by DLC
I wonder how far back they're talking here - Europe '03? Rat Keller Hamburg?

Obviously the further the better. I'd take a Masterworks boot, along with maybe
Union, but the most interesting would be tours from Drama and before. Not being
one to traffic much in boots, this is good news.

The website says "These are soundboard recordings of various recent
shows" - was this always the case, and did early posters wilfully
ignore the word "recent", or has the site been amended as a result of
these excited posts?

Grunt

[yessid]

When I first saw it and posted it here, I copied it exactly as it was, and
the word recent was not in there. Figures...for some reason they just don't
want to give us that live Tales. Not sure why as it meant so much to at
least Jon and Steve. You'd think that they'd want to share what must have
been an incredible performance, especially now that they know there is still
interest in that music.

Post by Grunt

Post by Todd Mitchell

Post by DLC
I wonder how far back they're talking here - Europe '03? Rat Keller Hamburg?

Obviously the further the better. I'd take a Masterworks boot, along with maybe
Union, but the most interesting would be tours from Drama and before. Not being
one to traffic much in boots, this is good news.

The website says "These are soundboard recordings of various recent
shows" - was this always the case, and did early posters wilfully
ignore the word "recent", or has the site been amended as a result of
these excited posts?
Grunt

[SINsabBADical]

"yessid" <***@comcast.net> wrote

Figures...for some reason they just don't

Post by yessid
want to give us that live Tales. Not sure why as it meant so much to at
least Jon and Steve. You'd think that they'd want to share what must have
been an incredible performance, especially now that they know there is still
interest in that music.

Probably they will want to release the Rhino live discs first, selecting the
best performances from the tapes they have, then sometime after that older
"bootlegs" could be made available. Going through the tapes to select what
to release via Rhino would be a good time for them to get an overview of
what's releasable as official boots. Hopefully they'll be thinking along
those lines.

[Tom O'Toole]

Post by yessid
When I first saw it and posted it here, I copied it exactly as it was, and
the word recent was not in there. Figures...for some reason they just don't
want to give us that live Tales. Not sure why as it meant so much to at
least Jon and Steve. You'd think that they'd want to share what must have
been an incredible performance, especially now that they know there is still
interest in that music.

Post by Grunt

Post by Todd Mitchell

Post by DLC
I wonder how far back they're talking here - Europe '03? Rat Keller

Hamburg?

Post by Grunt

Post by Todd Mitchell
Obviously the further the better. I'd take a Masterworks boot, along

with

Post by yessid
maybe

Post by Grunt

Post by Todd Mitchell
Union, but the most interesting would be tours from Drama and before.

Not

Post by yessid
being

Post by Grunt

Post by Todd Mitchell
one to traffic much in boots, this is good news.

The website says "These are soundboard recordings of various recent
shows" - was this always the case, and did early posters wilfully
ignore the word "recent", or has the site been amended as a result of
these excited posts?
Grunt

My take on this is that with 'recent' shows (i.e. post-Ladder tour) there's
less of a fight as to who gets paid what, if at all. I don't know how the
rights are split, between performers and composers - does Patrick Moraz get
a writing royalty for every Masterworks or Magnification tour show sold
(where they played Gates), does Igor Khoroshev get a performance royalty for
every Masterworks show sold - but with current set lists from the last few
tours is there anything in there that could mean royalties finding their way
outside of this Yes line-up?

It's all a conspiracy...

Tom

[Henry Potts]

Post by Tom O'Toole
My take on this is that with 'recent' shows (i.e. post-Ladder tour) there's
less of a fight as to who gets paid what, if at all.

I presume so too.

Post by Tom O'Toole
I don't know how the rights are split, between performers and composers

AIUI, composers get songwriting royalties and performers get
'mechanical' royalties (*unless* they've just been paid a one-off
session fee instead).

Post by Tom O'Toole
- does Patrick Moraz get a writing royalty for every Masterworks or
Magnification tour show sold (where they played Gates),

As the credited co-writer of the piece, you would imagine that he does.
In practice, the names on the liner notes aren't always the names on the
legal documents who are getting paid royalties. Other issues can arise:
the money doesn't always go were one might expect. Moraz says he gets
nothing for his Yes work these days.

Post by Tom O'Toole
does Igor Khoroshev get a performance royalty for every Masterworks
show sold -

It depends whether he was, from a financial point of view, being treated
as a band member to receive mechanical royalties or as a session player
who got his fee at the time but nothing subsequently. It may well depend
on the precise details of his contract. We just don't know.

Post by Tom O'Toole
but with current set lists from the last few tours is there anything in
there that could mean royalties finding their way outside of this Yes
line-up?

I would be surprised if Bruford isn't getting his cut of any songwriting
royalties.

[Stephen Bruun]

Post by yessid
Figures...for some reason they just don't
want to give us that live Tales.

Perhaps the band simply does not have multitrack recordings from the "Tales"
tour. The announcement said that the live recordings would be remixed,
which would necessitate multi-tracks unless you are Virgil Howe. I know
Alan has said that the band has recordings of every concert, but if these
are two-track cassettes, straight from the soundboard, they may not be of
releasable quality.

Also, "recent" live recordings would be owned by the band, who could then
sell 'em through YesWorld. Recordings from the "Tales" tour, if they exist,
are probably the property of Atlantic Records. Perhaps Atlantic doesn't
want them out, or else the band is simply not interested in slashing through
the rainforest of paperwork involved in licensing the recordings, sharing
the profits with Atlantic, and so on.

--
To reply, remove YOUR OWN EYES

[Steven Sullivan]

Post by Stephen Bruun

Post by yessid
Figures...for some reason they just don't
want to give us that live Tales.

Perhaps the band simply does not have multitrack recordings from the "Tales"
tour. The announcement said that the live recordings would be remixed,
which would necessitate multi-tracks unless you are Virgil Howe. I know
Alan has said that the band has recordings of every concert, but if these
are two-track cassettes, straight from the soundboard, they may not be of
releasable quality.

Yup. But at least few multis may exist -- that's how Yesshows was made.

Post by Stephen Bruun
Also, "recent" live recordings would be owned by the band, who could then
sell 'em through YesWorld. Recordings from the "Tales" tour, if they exist,
are probably the property of Atlantic Records. Perhaps Atlantic doesn't
want them out, or else the band is simply not interested in slashing through
the rainforest of paperwork involved in licensing the recordings, sharing
the profits with Atlantic, and so on.

Well, obviously what the band needs to do, is play all of Tales live again.

;>

[Stephen Bruun]

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by Stephen Bruun

Post by yessid
Figures...for some reason they just don't
want to give us that live Tales.

Perhaps the band simply does not have multitrack recordings from the "Tales"
tour.

Yup. But at least few multis may exist -- that's how Yesshows was made.

True enough, but "Yesshows" contains nothing from the "Tales" tour - the
recording of "Ritual" is from 1976 when they toured with Moraz; they didn't
play all of "Tales" on that tour.

--
To reply, remove YOUR OWN EYES

[Steven Sullivan]

Post by Stephen Bruun

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by Stephen Bruun

Post by yessid
Figures...for some reason they just don't
want to give us that live Tales.

Perhaps the band simply does not have multitrack recordings from the

"Tales"

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by Stephen Bruun
tour.

Yup. But at least few multis may exist -- that's how Yesshows was made.

True enough, but "Yesshows" contains nothing from the "Tales" tour - the
recording of "Ritual" is from 1976 when they toured with Moraz; they didn't
play all of "Tales" on that tour.

True...my mistake. There was at least one 'earwitness' report, though, from
a fan visiting the studio circa the Tormato sessions, that Yes were
preparing a Yessongs II sort of affair that would include all of Tales, live.

[Stephen Bruun]

Post by Steven Sullivan
There was at least one 'earwitness' report, though, from
a fan visiting the studio circa the Tormato sessions, that Yes were
preparing a Yessongs II sort of affair that would include all of Tales, live.

Now that you mention it, I remember that report too. Triple LP, one song
per side: all of "Tales," plus "Gates of Delirium," plus "Awaken." (Wasn't
there also discussion of "Yesterdays II" with "Something's Coming"?) So the
question becomes "does anyone remember where these tapes *are*?" which is
far from a given. Other relevant questions: are they willing to release it?
Are the tapes still playable? A lot of archival material has quietly turned
into jelly.

We'll have to see what turns up. It's unrealistic to expect Warner/Atlantic
to release an avalanche of 1970s Yes concert tapes. I suspect that the live
box will be the end of it, unless the original live albums are reissued with
bonus tracks.

--
To reply, remove YOUR OWN EYES

[gmelin]

Stephen Bruun <***@OWNstarpowerEYES.net> wrote in article
<bj68pk$c8p$***@bob.news.rcn.net>...
: Now that you mention it, I remember that report too. Triple LP, one song
: per side: all of "Tales," plus "Gates of Delirium," plus "Awaken."

Nice.

[Jeremy Weissenburger]

Post by Stephen Bruun

Post by Steven Sullivan
There was at least one 'earwitness' report, though, from
a fan visiting the studio circa the Tormato sessions, that Yes were
preparing a Yessongs II sort of affair that would include all of Tales,

live.
Now that you mention it, I remember that report too. Triple LP, one song
per side: all of "Tales," plus "Gates of Delirium," plus "Awaken." (Wasn't
there also discussion of "Yesterdays II" with "Something's Coming"?) So the
question becomes "does anyone remember where these tapes *are*?" which is
far from a given. Other relevant questions: are they willing to release it?
Are the tapes still playable? A lot of archival material has quietly turned
into jelly.
We'll have to see what turns up. It's unrealistic to expect Warner/Atlantic
to release an avalanche of 1970s Yes concert tapes. I suspect that the live
box will be the end of it, unless the original live albums are reissued with
bonus tracks.

Perhaps if an enormous amount of the live boxes are purchased, along with a
number of the live bootlegs of the recent tour, someone may see a demand for
more live material being released.

Jeremy

[Todd Mitchell]

Post by Steven Sullivan
Well, obviously what the band needs to do, is play all of Tales live again.

Y'know, this may not be such a bad idea (assuming Wankman would go for
it). For those of you who are fans of the Cure, you'll note the recent
release of the live double dvd "Trilogy", which is a recording of the
albums "Pornography", "Disintegration" and "Bloodflowers", played
straight through, from two nights last November in Berlin. Fucking
incredible! Those albums (jokingly subtitled amongst the fans as
"music to slash your wrists by") are prolly the least commercially
successful albums the Cure ever did, but they pulled it together for a
couple of nights (much like the Keys stuff) and the results are
jaw-droppingly good. If they can actually move units of this, there's
no doubt Yes can move units of a double dvd of Tales.

Todd "bring it on" Mitchell

[gmelin]

Todd Mitchell <***@aol.com> wrote in article
<***@posting.google.com>...
: Steven Sullivan <***@panix.com> writes in message
: news:<bj54da$qj$***@reader2.panix.com>...
:
: > Well, obviously what the band needs to do, is play all of Tales live
again.

I kept thinking they should have done a few one-off shows of the whole
thing five years ago, for its 25th anniverary. Of course, now it's the
30th . . .

: Y'know, this may not be such a bad idea (assuming Wankman would go for
: it).

Not a chance. Now maybe if they got someone else, perhaps Moraz -- but
there seems little chance of that either.

[Chris Jemmett]

Post by Todd Mitchell

Post by Steven Sullivan
Well, obviously what the band needs to do, is play all of Tales live again.

Y'know, this may not be such a bad idea (assuming Wankman would go for
it). For those of you who are fans of the Cure, you'll note the recent
release of the live double dvd "Trilogy", which is a recording of the
albums "Pornography", "Disintegration" and "Bloodflowers", played
straight through, from two nights last November in Berlin. Fucking
incredible! Those albums (jokingly subtitled amongst the fans as
"music to slash your wrists by") are prolly the least commercially
successful albums the Cure ever did, but they pulled it together for a
couple of nights (much like the Keys stuff) and the results are
jaw-droppingly good. If they can actually move units of this, there's
no doubt Yes can move units of a double dvd of Tales.
Todd "bring it on" Mitchell

Yes. Bring it on.

I am hereby calling for it.

[Robert Dubnicka]

Post by Steven Sullivan
Well, obviously what the band needs to do, is play all of Tales live again.

I wonder how much money I could make if I landed the Curry concession?

[Jeremy Weissenburger]

On 9/4/03 8:15 PM, in article

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by Steven Sullivan
Well, obviously what the band needs to do, is play all of Tales live

again.
I wonder how much money I could make if I landed the Curry concession?

Probably not much. Unless you expect Rick to buy a LOT of Curry.

Jeremy

[DLC]

Post by Grunt

Post by Todd Mitchell

Post by DLC
I wonder how far back they're talking here - Europe '03? Rat Keller Hamburg?

Obviously the further the better. I'd take a Masterworks boot, along with maybe
Union, but the most interesting would be tours from Drama and before. Not being
one to traffic much in boots, this is good news.

The website says "These are soundboard recordings of various recent
shows" - was this always the case, and did early posters wilfully
ignore the word "recent", or has the site been amended as a result of
these excited posts?

I'm curious myself. I don't recall the exact wording, but assuming yessid
cut and pasted the original announcement... would've been a pretty quick fix
job, though.

[3243]

Post by Grunt
The website says "These are soundboard recordings of various recent
shows" - was this always the case, and did early posters wilfully
ignore the word "recent", or has the site been amended as a result of
these excited posts?

Well, we can always dream, can't we? :)

[Steven Sullivan]

Post by Todd Mitchell

Post by DLC
I also see they've officially canceled the Jakarta gig - I can almost hear
the huge sigh of relief.

al Queda: 1 Yes: 0

My god...the terrorists have WON!

[Paul Rogers]

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by Todd Mitchell

Post by DLC
I also see they've officially canceled the Jakarta gig - I can almost hear
the huge sigh of relief.

al Queda: 1 Yes: 0

My god...the terrorists have WON!

...and the Yes have NUN!

paul

[John T]

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by Todd Mitchell

Post by DLC
I also see they've officially canceled the Jakarta gig - I can almost hear
the huge sigh of relief.

al Queda: 1 Yes: 0

My god...the terrorists have WON!

Not the war, maybe - but one battle.

Every single decision like that adds up to being part of creating exactly
the effect wished for with terrorist actions of that kind.

[Steven Sullivan]

Post by John T

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by Todd Mitchell

Post by DLC
I also see they've officially canceled the Jakarta gig - I can almost hear
the huge sigh of relief.

al Queda: 1 Yes: 0

My god...the terrorists have WON!

Not the war, maybe - but one battle.
Every single decision like that adds up to being part of creating exactly
the effect wished for with terrorist actions of that kind.

I can hardly think of a smaller hill of beans than this.

[John T]

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by John T
Not the war, maybe - but one battle.
Every single decision like that adds up to being part of creating exactly
the effect wished for with terrorist actions of that kind.

I can hardly think of a smaller hill of beans than this.

It all adds up.

[Chris Jemmett]

Post by John T

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by John T
Not the war, maybe - but one battle.
Every single decision like that adds up to being part of creating exactly
the effect wished for with terrorist actions of that kind.

I can hardly think of a smaller hill of beans than this.

It all adds up.

Yes, it does. It adds up both ways. If Yes had refused to cancel the effect
would probably have been minimal but still very important to some people in
Jakarta. The best scenario would probably have been for Yes to go ahead and
for other acts to book dates there as well. Unfortunately, it is asking a
bit much to hope for people to stand up like that.

A different matter but with some parallel:
During the recent SARS episode in Toronto it was interesting to see the
number of cancellations. I don't just mean performers, it was also things
like vacations and conventions. They certainly added up.
During all this, one of the funniest moral boosters was having Ozzy refuse
to cancel. When his screaming face showed up on the cover of the Toronto Sun
with the caption, "#%!@ SARS", people were commenting and chuckling about
it all day. My joke for the day was SARS is scared of him.

If even Ozzy can make a difference...

[Paul Goodwin]

Post by Chris Jemmett
it all day. My joke for the day was SARS is scared of him.

I have to give the guy credit, he certainly put his money where his mouth is
by jumping down off the stage no fewer than 3 times during the show to shake
hands & allow fans to hug his pale & sweaty torso (eeewww lol)

Personally I think he did more for the cause than all the acts at SARSstock
combined.

--

Paul

[John T]

Post by Chris Jemmett
During the recent SARS episode in Toronto it was interesting to see the
number of cancellations. I don't just mean performers, it was also things
like vacations and conventions. They certainly added up

I was in Toronto at that time, with my wife and step children.

Did I ever consider not going? Not for a second. Statistically, the odds of
either one of us falling off a chair and dying from the fall were much
higher than catching SARS, as long as we didn't - as Mike Myers said - break
into the closed wing of the hospital where the SARS cases were kept, got
into their locked rooms, and french kissed them.

[Steven Sullivan]

Post by John T

Post by Steven Sullivan

Post by John T
Not the war, maybe - but one battle.
Every single decision like that adds up to being part of creating exactly
the effect wished for with terrorist actions of that kind.

I can hardly think of a smaller hill of beans than this.

It all adds up.

Very, very slowly, at that rate. And in the meantime, somewhere
else, some beans have been removed from the hill.

[David Rheault]

Post by Todd Mitchell

Post by DLC
I wonder how far back they're talking here - Europe '03? Rat Keller Hamburg?

Obviously the further the better. I'd take a Masterworks boot, along with maybe
Union, but the most interesting would be tours from Drama and before. Not being
one to traffic much in boots, this is good news.

Post by DLC
I also see they've officially canceled the Jakarta gig - I can almost hear
the huge sigh of relief.

al Queda: 1 Yes: 0

Jofar would have spared Wakeman 'cuz he worked with Yusuf Islam. The others
were fair game though.


dcr

[Stephen Bruun]

Post by David Rheault
Jofar would have spared Wakeman 'cuz he worked with Yusuf Islam. The others
were fair game though.

Consider, though: although Yusuf Islam took a lot of flak for accurately
quoting the Koran regarding the murder of heretics, he later clarified his
statement, saying, basically, "I was just repeating what the Koran says. I
certainly wasn't saying that anybody should actually go out and *do* such a
thing." Thus, he has distanced himself from the violent fundamentalists.
If a mosque in Iraq can get blown up by Muslims, killing dozens, I see no
reason why a born-again Christian who sat in on a session by not-yet-Muslim
Cat Stevens would be any safer.

--
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[Henry Potts]

Post by Stephen Bruun

Post by David Rheault
Jofar would have spared Wakeman 'cuz he worked with Yusuf Islam. The
others were fair game though.

Consider, though: although Yusuf Islam took a lot of flak for accurately
quoting the Koran regarding the murder of heretics, he later clarified his
statement, saying, basically, "I was just repeating what the Koran says. I
certainly wasn't saying that anybody should actually go out and *do* such a
thing." Thus, he has distanced himself from the violent fundamentalists.
If a mosque in Iraq can get blown up by Muslims, killing dozens, I see no
reason why a born-again Christian who sat in on a session by not-yet-Muslim
Cat Stevens would be any safer.

More to the point, any terrorist attack wouldn't be aimed at Anderson,
Wakeman, Howe, Squire and White: it would be aimed at a largely American
touring crew and an audience with (I presume) a high proportion of
Westerners. In their decision, the band don't have to consider just
their security, but the security of their crew, the venue staff and the
audience.

[Stephen Bruun]

Post by Henry Potts
More to the point, any terrorist attack wouldn't be aimed at Anderson,
Wakeman, Howe, Squire and White: it would be aimed at a largely American
touring crew and an audience with (I presume) a high proportion of
Westerners. In their decision, the band don't have to consider just
their security, but the security of their crew, the venue staff and the
audience.

That's obvious. Yes is simply not prominent or controversial enough to
motivate a direct attack because of who they are. A concert audience -
*any* concert audience - is a soft target full of unarmed people and,
unfortunately, an easy shot at a high body count. McCartney, on his latest
tour, wouldn't enter any venue until bomb-sniffing dogs had checked the
place out. Imagine the horrible devastation if an indoor venue collapsed
and burned with five or ten thousand people in it. It's almost beyond human
comprehension and that's precisely why I'm worried that some god damned al
Qaeda animal is thinking along those lines. As we make our airports harder
to attack, then terrorists who want to pile up the corpses start looking at
schools, sporting events, high-rise hotels....I find it repulsive that we
have to even contemplate this sort of thing today.

--
To reply, remove YOUR OWN EYES

[Yessphere]

Post by Stephen Bruun
That's obvious. Yes is simply not prominent or controversial enough to
motivate a direct attack because of who they are. A concert audience -
*any* concert audience - is a soft target full of unarmed people and,
unfortunately, an easy shot at a high body count.

Yep.

Post by Stephen Bruun
McCartney, on his latest
tour, wouldn't enter any venue until bomb-sniffing dogs had checked the
place out. Imagine the horrible devastation if an indoor venue collapsed
and burned with five or ten thousand people in it. It's almost beyond human
comprehension and that's precisely why I'm worried that some god damned al
Qaeda animal is thinking along those lines.

Macca doesn't need to tour these days. If he finds touring to be a
drag he can just sit it out and wait.

Post by Stephen Bruun
As we make our airports harder
to attack, then terrorists who want to pile up the corpses start looking at
schools, sporting events, high-rise hotels....I find it repulsive that we
have to even contemplate this sort of thing today.

If we keep allowing such elements to operate with impunity inside the
USA, then we shall get what we deserve.


dcr

[Stephen Bruun]

Post by Yessphere
Macca doesn't need to tour these days. If he finds touring to be a
drag he can just sit it out and wait.

He doesn't find it a drag - he loves it. As a billionaire, he's clearly in
a position to say "no" to just about everyone - nobody can "make" him tour.
The sensible desire to avoid being blown up doesn't mean he finds touring to
be a drag. Also, consider that the Beatles were dogged with death threats
when they toured - their chartered tour plane had bullet holes in the tail
and wings. Factor in John's murder and George's near-fatal stabbing and I
think Sir Paul is justified in taking extra security precautions.

Post by Yessphere
If we keep allowing such elements to operate with impunity inside the
USA, then we shall get what we deserve.

I doubt that Tom Ridge is deliberately leaving active terrorist cells alone.

Also, careful with the collective responsibility there. Did the
four-year-olds in the Murrah building get what they deserved? Or rather,
deserve what they got?

--
To reply, remove YOUR OWN EYES

[Yessphere]

Post by David Rheault

Post by David Rheault
Jofar would have spared Wakeman 'cuz he worked with Yusuf Islam. The

others

Post by David Rheault
were fair game though.

Consider, though: although Yusuf Islam took a lot of flak for accurately
quoting the Koran regarding the murder of heretics, he later clarified his
statement, saying, basically, "I was just repeating what the Koran says. I
certainly wasn't saying that anybody should actually go out and *do* such a
thing." Thus, he has distanced himself from the violent fundamentalists.

True. The artist formerly known as Cat Stevens has distanced himself
publicly from fundamentalism.

Post by David Rheault
If a mosque in Iraq can get blown up by Muslims, killing dozens, I see no
reason why a born-again Christian who sat in on a session by not-yet-Muslim
Cat Stevens would be any safer.

Wakeman has gigged in Jakarta before and nothing has happened to him.
In fact, the decision to do a gig there may have been his idea. The
timing for this tour is off (real safety concerns this year) but there
is no reason why they can't try again some time.

I would also characterize Wakeman as less religious now that he
divorced his last wife.


dcr

[JMH]

Well I tend to think its going to be soundboard recordings from current and
future tours, not from the deep past of TFTO tours etc.
Isn't Pearl Jam offering an evening's perfomance on disc mere moments after
its concluded (well maybe its offered in merely a few days...)
in any case I think its gonna be like that.....which is cool enough..
jmh

Post by DLC

Post by yessid
This is an excellent idea. I've been waiting for something like this for
awhile now, thank god it's finally happening! The one I'd like to hear

most

Post by yessid
is a complete live Tales, preferably from a single show.
http://www.yesworld.com/
Official Yes Bootlegs
September 2, 2003 - Yes will be offering high-quality official "bootlegs"
through YesWorld. These are soundboard recordings of various shows that

will

Post by yessid
be properly mixed and offered to their fans. This service should begin
sometime this month. More details to come!

I wonder how far back they're talking here - Europe '03? Rat Keller Hamburg?
I also see they've officially canceled the Jakarta gig - I can almost hear
the huge sigh of relief.

[Pat McGroin]

I would love to hear Relayer Tour,Big Generator, and Talk all done up nicely.
---
Look if she is not into Wayne Rogers, she is not worth dating.

[Zorknapp]

Date: 9/2/03 3:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time
This is an excellent idea. I've been waiting for something like this for
awhile now, thank god it's finally happening! The one I'd like to hear most
is a complete live Tales, preferably from a single show.
http://www.yesworld.com/
Official Yes Bootlegs
September 2, 2003 - Yes will be offering high-quality official "bootlegs"
through YesWorld. These are soundboard recordings of various shows that will
be properly mixed and offered to their fans. This service should begin
sometime this month. More details to come!

I'd like to also point out that the news about this actually happening has been
heard first on Yesworld, for all those who complain about them not knowing
anything.

Of course, it seems that Yesworld will be issuing these discs, but that's
beside the point! ;)

Mike

[Henry Potts]

Post by Zorknapp
I'd like to also point out that the news about this actually happening has been
heard first on Yesworld, for all those who complain about them not knowing
anything.
Of course, it seems that Yesworld will be issuing these discs, but that's
beside the point! ;)

There have been many things of late first announced by YesWorld and
first announced before any gossip had leaked out. They've also been
allowed to be more responsive, with fan concerns and questions answered
promptly. All to the good.

[Henry Potts]

Post by yessid
Official Yes Bootlegs
September 2, 2003 - Yes will be offering high-quality official "bootlegs"
through YesWorld. These are soundboard recordings of various shows that will
be properly mixed and offered to their fans. This service should begin
sometime this month. More details to come!

Finally! And just when I'd got a new CD-R burner for boots! ;-)

[David Rheault]

Post by Henry Potts

Post by yessid
Official Yes Bootlegs
September 2, 2003 - Yes will be offering high-quality official "bootlegs"
through YesWorld. These are soundboard recordings of various shows that will
be properly mixed and offered to their fans. This service should begin
sometime this month. More details to come!

Finally! And just when I'd got a new CD-R burner for boots! ;-)

OH goodie two shoes!


dcr

[Paul Rogers]

Post by David Rheault

Post by Henry Potts

Post by yessid
Official Yes Bootlegs
September 2, 2003 - Yes will be offering high-quality official "bootlegs"
through YesWorld. These are soundboard recordings of various shows that

will

Post by Henry Potts

Post by yessid
be properly mixed and offered to their fans. This service should begin
sometime this month. More details to come!

Finally! And just when I'd got a new CD-R burner for boots! ;-)

OH goodie two shoes!

Sparkly ones at that!

p

[Steve Mahoney]

Post by Henry Potts

Post by yessid
Official Yes Bootlegs
September 2, 2003 - Yes will be offering high-quality official "bootlegs"
through YesWorld. These are soundboard recordings of various shows that will
be properly mixed and offered to their fans. This service should begin
sometime this month. More details to come!

Finally! And just when I'd got a new CD-R burner for boots! ;-)

Hi Henry
Xmas Just Came early.
Wont this be interesting to watch.
How about Yessongs 2 from the Australias Full Circle Tour-Just a thought.
This is going to be Great
Steve Mahoney-New Zealand

[JonYo]

Whether they're recent shows, old shows, somewhere in the middle
shows...I think this is great news and I'm sure I'll be shelling out for
them without a frown on my face...

- JonYo

Post by yessid
This is an excellent idea. I've been waiting for something like this for
awhile now, thank god it's finally happening! The one I'd like to hear most
is a complete live Tales, preferably from a single show.
http://www.yesworld.com/
Official Yes Bootlegs
September 2, 2003 - Yes will be offering high-quality official "bootlegs"
through YesWorld. These are soundboard recordings of various shows that will
be properly mixed and offered to their fans. This service should begin
sometime this month. More details to come!

[Paul Rogers]

Post by JonYo
Whether they're recent shows, old shows, somewhere in the middle
shows...I think this is great news and I'm sure I'll be shelling out for
them without a frown on my face...

I'll go one further. I want soundboards made available of the
Australian shows next weekend.

paul

[Lee Gately]

Contrast this plan with the Gabriel and Almond Bros. practice of
releasing the shows untouched within 15 minutes of the show's closing.
Yes was mentioned to have similar plans in the works in one of those
articles about concert cds.

Post by yessid
be properly mixed and offered to their fans.

I wonder if there are two unique offerings coming up for YES fans,

1)recent yes concerts properly mixed and

2)live untouched recordings of the same show.

Or are they the same thing.