New Yes album "Heaven and Earth" due July 8

[y***@hotmail.com]

"Prog-rock legends Yes have just announced a 35-date U.S. summer tour. For their 2014 dates, Yes will perform 1971's Fragile in its entirety as well as every track from 1972's Close To The Edge, followed by an encore of the band's greatest hits and material off their new studio album, Heaven and Earth, which is due on July 8."

http://www.jambase.com/Articles/121132/Tour-Dates-Yes-U.S-Summer-Tour-2014

--

Paul

[MarkF]

Post by y***@hotmail.com
"Prog-rock legends Yes have just announced a 35-date U.S. summer
tour. For their 2014 dates, Yes will perform 1971's Fragile in its
entirety

It should be interesting to hear Geoff's live rendition of "Cans &
Brahms"...

Post by y***@hotmail.com
followed by an encore of the band's greatest hits and material off
their new studio album, Heaven and Earth, which is due on July 8."

Jon Anderson used to sing with them... Heaven And Earth, that is:

[h***@gmail.com]

Post by MarkF

Post by y***@hotmail.com
"Prog-rock legends Yes have just announced a 35-date U.S. summer
tour. For their 2014 dates, Yes will perform 1971's Fragile in its
entirety

It should be interesting to hear Geoff's live rendition of "Cans &
Brahms"...

Never mind that, what about '5% For Nothing?' Lord god in heaven help us all...!

[Rob Allen]

Post by y***@hotmail.com
"Prog-rock legends Yes have just announced a 35-date U.S. summer tour. For their 2014 dates, Yes will perform 1971's Fragile in its entirety as well as every track from 1972's Close To The Edge, followed by an encore of the band's greatest hits and material off their new studio album, Heaven and Earth, which is due on July 8."
http://www.jambase.com/Articles/121132/Tour-Dates-Yes-U.S-Summer-Tour-2014

I won't click the link...but I will LOL.


Rob "their disgrace knows no bounds" Allen

[MarkF]

Post by Rob Allen

Post by y***@hotmail.com
"Prog-rock legends Yes have just announced a 35-date U.S. summer
tour. For their 2014 dates, Yes will perform 1971's Fragile in its
entirety as well as every track from 1972's Close To The Edge,
followed by an encore of the band's greatest hits and material off
their new studio album, Heaven and Earth, which is due on July 8."
http://www.jambase.com/Articles/121132/Tour-Dates-Yes-U.S-Summer-Tour-2014

I won't click the link...but I will LOL.
Rob "their disgrace knows no bounds" Allen

The venue for Chicago (the Copernicus Center??) features an 1890 seat
theater, so apparently there are bounds.

[Adam]

Post by y***@hotmail.com
"Prog-rock legends Yes have just announced a 35-date U.S. summer tour.
For their 2014 dates, Yes will perform 1971's Fragile in its entirety as
well as every track from 1972's Close To The Edge, followed by an encore
of the band's greatest hits and material off their new studio album,
Heaven and Earth, which is due on July 8."
http://www.jambase.com/Articles/121132/Tour-Dates-Yes-U.S-Summer-Tour-2014
--
Paul

Eh. I saw this lineup once, and I'm by no means sorry that I did, but I'm
not in a big hurry to see them again either. Especially with the
whole-albums deal, which makes for a dull show IMO. I will however be
going to see Jon Anderson solo next month. I'd rather see him with Yes,
but that ain't happening.

[y***@hotmail.com]

I'm one of the few it seems that have actually seen the current lineup, the 3-album show last year was well worth the few sheckles it cost to the Mrs. & I, & we'll certainly be going to the new show in August. I still enjoy seeing them, they play the material just fine, every year a little bit older, a little bit slower maybe, but that's ok, so am *I* lol. ;)

--

Paul

[MarkF]

Just to confuse people...

http://copernicuscenter.org/yes/

... and scroll down to the caption:

"Here's a Great video from *LAST YEAR'S TOUR*. Enjoy!"

LOL. Er, Mr. Copernicus?...

[MarkF]

Cover art:

<Loading Image...>

[MarkF]

Post by MarkF
<http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/911iuBBojLL._SL1500_.jpg>

And the track list:

Believe Again
The Game
Step Beyond
To Ascend
In A World Of Our Own
Light Of The Ages
It Was All We Knew
Subway Walls

[MarkF]

On 5/13/14, 2:43 PM, MarkF wrote:
Cover art:
<http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/911iuBBojLL._SL1500_.jpg>

An updated track list with song lengths:

Believe Again (8:02)
The Game (6:52)
Step Beyond (5:34)
To Ascend (4:44)
In a World of Our Own (5:20)
Light of the Ages (7:41)
It Was All We Knew (4:13)
Subway Walls (9:03)

Total time 51:29, with 4 songs over 6 minutes, 4 songs under.

(These times are being reported from an electronic review copy [not a
mastered CD] that has already been sent out to the press... which Billy
only finished mixing a couple days ago!)

Too bad they couldn't finish the "epic" that Davison was reportedly
working on... would have filled out the CD nicely to about 65-70 minutes.

I'm kind of surprised the vinyl versions are being listed as 2 LP's;
Seems like it could all be squeezed onto one LP with 25 minutes per
side? Maybe not...

[Rob Allen]

Post by MarkF
<http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/911iuBBojLL._SL1500_.jpg>
Believe Again (8:02)
The Game (6:52)
Step Beyond (5:34)
To Ascend (4:44)
In a World of Our Own (5:20)
Light of the Ages (7:41)
It Was All We Knew (4:13)
Subway Walls (9:03)
Total time 51:29, with 4 songs over 6 minutes, 4 songs under.
(These times are being reported from an electronic review copy [not a
mastered CD] that has already been sent out to the press... which Billy
only finished mixing a couple days ago!)
Too bad they couldn't finish the "epic" that Davison was reportedly
working on... would have filled out the CD nicely to about 65-70 minutes.
I'm kind of surprised the vinyl versions are being listed as 2 LP's;
Seems like it could all be squeezed onto one LP with 25 minutes per
side? Maybe not...
--
Mark "time is time" F
Tales From TopBLOGraphic Oceans
<http://markf-yeselpkrimson.blogspot.com/>

maybe "To Ascend" is Davison's "epic".


Rob "a fraction of JA across the board" Allen

[True]

Post by MarkF
<http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/911iuBBojLL._SL1500_.jpg>

An updated track list with song lengths:
Believe Again (8:02)
The Game (6:52)
Step Beyond (5:34)
To Ascend (4:44)
In a World of Our Own (5:20)
Light of the Ages (7:41)
It Was All We Knew (4:13)
Subway Walls (9:03)


Mark "time is time" F


Well I've heard that one tune which someone put on SoundCloud. I assume the proper version will have superior sound than this ripped stream. But it's enough to provide a feel for the sound. It certainly sounds like Yes. The tune itself, to me sounds very pleasant, and has a lot of signature Yes bits in there. But I don't hear any particular bit of playing that makes me say "wow". Used to be so many bits on the 70's records that would make you say "how does he play that?"
This tune does not have a hint of rock and roll in it. I once heard Squire say he was particularly fond of HOTS, because it had that mix of heaviness and melody, loud and soft, a rock song with some beauty to it as well. FFH was such a soft record, I was hoping they would crank it up a bit on this one.
I hope to find something a little heavier in the other tunes on the record when it arrives.

[MarkF]

Post by MarkF
Believe Again (8:02)
The Game (6:52)
Step Beyond (5:34)
To Ascend (4:44)
In a World of Our Own (5:20)
Light of the Ages (7:41)
It Was All We Knew (4:13)
Subway Walls (9:03)

From the other thread, this is the "micro-site" for the album:

http://yesheavenandearth.com/

but no audio excerpts yet.

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ***@netfront.net ---

[MarkF]

Are "actual" reviews starting to appear?...

<http://www.letoilemagazine.com/2014/06/18/>

Calls it "weird but ultimately pretty great" and yet, in the footnotes
he ranks it 15th out of 21 studio albums... ?

[s***@synmusic.net]

I've listened to the album a couple of times and it sounds like a bunch of demos by a Yes tribute band to me. Something clearly went very wrong in the production of this album, I'm guessing the original producer didn't finish it possibly because either he or the band didn't like how it was turning out or there were personal or financial issues, which is why Billy Sherwood was hurriedly brought in to mix it.

Steve Nardelli

Post by MarkF
Are "actual" reviews starting to appear?...
<http://www.letoilemagazine.com/2014/06/18/>
Calls it "weird but ultimately pretty great" and yet, in the footnotes
he ranks it 15th out of 21 studio albums... ?
--
Mark "it's an admitted fanboy review, to be clear" F
Tales From TopBLOGraphic Oceans
<http://markf-yeselpkrimson.blogspot.com/

[p***@msn.com]

Post by s***@synmusic.net
I've listened to the album a couple of times and it sounds like a bunch of demos by a Yes tribute band to me. Something clearly went very wrong in the production of this album, I'm guessing the original producer didn't finish it possibly because either he or the band didn't like how it was turning out or there were personal or financial issues, which is why Billy Sherwood was hurriedly brought in to mix it.
Steve Nardelli

From the bit I've been able to hear, production is not the problem. The problem is in songwriting and playing. There is nothing here to work with

[s***@synmusic.net]

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Post by s***@synmusic.net
I've listened to the album a couple of times and it sounds like a bunch of demos by a Yes tribute band to me. Something clearly went very wrong in the production of this album, I'm guessing the original producer didn't finish it possibly because either he or the band didn't like how it was turning out or there were personal or financial issues, which is why Billy Sherwood was hurriedly brought in to mix it.
Steve Nardelli

From the bit I've been able to hear, production is not the problem. The problem is in songwriting and playing. There is nothing here to work with

I agree; that is partly why it sounds like an album of demos. I am convinced they had big production problems as well, mixing is such an integral part of production, the fact that the producer gave that away, or more likely the band did, speaks volumes to me.

[p***@msn.com]

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Post by p***@msn.com

Post by s***@synmusic.net
I've listened to the album a couple of times and it sounds like a bunch of demos by a Yes tribute band to me. Something clearly went very wrong in the production of this album, I'm guessing the original producer didn't finish it possibly because either he or the band didn't like how it was turning out or there were personal or financial issues, which is why Billy Sherwood was hurriedly brought in to mix it.
Steve Nardelli

From the bit I've been able to hear, production is not the problem. The problem is in songwriting and playing. There is nothing here to work with

I agree; that is partly why it sounds like an album of demos. I am convinced they had big production problems as well, mixing is such an integral part of production, the fact that the producer gave that away, or more likely the band did, speaks volumes to me.

Well, that may be, but from what we have been able to hear and what those who have heard the whole CD are reporting, sounds like we got what was reasonable to expect. Based on their last CD and the lack of any creative juice left in their bones, they relied on Jon Davison for songwriting after relying on an old Buggle's tune the last time around. And the stalwarts...heh...Squire, White and Howe, add little to the mix.

How you produce that in to quality material, I don't know.

Seems like blaming the producer is just a way to keep heads in the sand, hoping that the Three Musketeers will actually do something right before YES is officially dead.

Jim

[Rob Allen]

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Post by s***@synmusic.net
I've listened to the album a couple of times and it sounds like a bunch of demos by a Yes tribute band to me. Something clearly went very wrong in the production of this album, I'm guessing the original producer didn't finish it possibly because either he or the band didn't like how it was turning out or there were personal or financial issues, which is why Billy Sherwood was hurriedly brought in to mix it.
Steve Nardelli

From the bit I've been able to hear, production is not the problem. The problem is in songwriting and playing. There is nothing here to work with

I agree; that is partly why it sounds like an album of demos. I am convinced they had big production problems as well, mixing is such an integral part of production, the fact that the producer gave that away, or more likely the band did, speaks volumes to me.

Well, that may be, but from what we have been able to hear and what those who have heard the whole CD are reporting, sounds like we got what was reasonable to expect. Based on their last CD and the lack of any creative juice left in their bones, they relied on Jon Davison for songwriting after relying on an old Buggle's tune the last time around. And the stalwarts...heh...Squire, White and Howe, add little to the mix.
How you produce that in to quality material, I don't know.
Seems like blaming the producer is just a way to keep heads in the sand, hoping that the Three Musketeers will actually do something right before YES is officially dead.

I'm not sure that pointing up what production problems is quite the same thing as blaming the producer.



Rob "what might the blame pie look like?"Allen

[s***@synmusic.net]

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Post by s***@synmusic.net
I've listened to the album a couple of times and it sounds like a bunch of demos by a Yes tribute band to me. Something clearly went very wrong in the production of this album, I'm guessing the original producer didn't finish it possibly because either he or the band didn't like how it was turning out or there were personal or financial issues, which is why Billy Sherwood was hurriedly brought in to mix it.
Steve Nardelli

From the bit I've been able to hear, production is not the problem. The problem is in songwriting and playing. There is nothing here to work with

I agree; that is partly why it sounds like an album of demos. I am convinced they had big production problems as well, mixing is such an integral part of production, the fact that the producer gave that away, or more likely the band did, speaks volumes to me.

Well, that may be, but from what we have been able to hear and what those who have heard the whole CD are reporting, sounds like we got what was reasonable to expect. Based on their last CD and the lack of any creative juice left in their bones, they relied on Jon Davison for songwriting after relying on an old Buggle's tune the last time around. And the stalwarts...heh...Squire, White and Howe, add little to the mix.
How you produce that in to quality material, I don't know.
Seems like blaming the producer is just a way to keep heads in the sand, hoping that the Three Musketeers will actually do something right before YES is officially dead.
Jim

Actually Jim, I'm not blaming the producer, I agree with most of what you think, this is a terrible album made in a hurry relying a mimic of Jon Anderson for creative input. The production issues are an indicator of just how bad things are within the band, I'm guessing the producer baled out because he was working under time and financial pressures with a load of mediocrity. Good albums start with quality songs, without that you have no foundation to build on. Without Anderson, who is going to write the quality songs? That is why we got FFH and all they do is tour the Anderson classic years material, it's pathetic to see what has become of this band.

Steve Nardelli

[p***@gmail.com]

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Seems like blaming the producer is just a way to keep heads in the sand, hoping that the Three Musketeers will actually do something right before YES is officially dead.

You mean by time traveling back to 2008?

[Kevin Caffrey]

Have listened to it a few times now through YouTube. Not terrible. Reminds me mostly of the studio material from _Keys 2_. So far for me "Believe Again" is the best track. The Howe tracks "Step Beyond" and "It Was All We Knew" are probably the weakest. The ending of Downes' "Subway Walls" is a clear "Aria" (!) retread! :)

Going to listen to it a bit more and I guess I am leaning to purchasing it. Will probably post a full review in a few days.

Kevin
http://www.facebook.com/kevincaffreymusic

[s***@synmusic.net]

Post by Kevin Caffrey
Have listened to it a few times now through YouTube. Not terrible. Reminds me mostly of the studio material from _Keys 2_. So far for me "Believe Again" is the best track. The Howe tracks "Step Beyond" and "It Was All We Knew" are probably the weakest. The ending of Downes' "Subway Walls" is a clear "Aria" (!) retread! :)
Going to listen to it a bit more and I guess I am leaning to purchasing it. Will probably post a full review in a few days.
Kevin
http://www.facebook.com/kevincaffreymusic

Whatever the problems with this album, and there are many, clearly something is very wrong with the band. They have been dropped by their management, the producer didn't even finish the album, Billy Sherwood was parachuted in to do that, the album is already at a discount sale price of $10 which suggests the record company has no faith in it. It's salvage time for the album and the band as far as I can see and the album's not even out yet.

Steve Nardelli

[Kevin Caffrey]

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Post by Kevin Caffrey
Have listened to it a few times now through YouTube. Not terrible. Reminds me mostly of the studio material from _Keys 2_. So far for me "Believe Again" is the best track. The Howe tracks "Step Beyond" and "It Was All We Knew" are probably the weakest. The ending of Downes' "Subway Walls" is a clear "Aria" (!) retread! :)
Going to listen to it a bit more and I guess I am leaning to purchasing it. Will probably post a full review in a few days.
Kevin
http://www.facebook.com/kevincaffreymusic

Whatever the problems with this album, and there are many, clearly something is very wrong with the band. They have been dropped by their management, the producer didn't even finish the album, Billy Sherwood was parachuted in to do that, the album is already at a discount sale price of $10 which suggests the record company has no faith in it. It's salvage time for the album and the band as far as I can see and the album's not even out yet.
Steve Nardelli

$10 is a relatively common "new release" price on Amazon.

Kevin
http://www.facebook.com/kevincaffreymusic

[MarkF]

Post by s***@synmusic.net
Whatever the problems with this album, and there are many, clearly
something is very wrong with the band. They have been dropped by
their management,

I had not heard this. Are they no longer represented by Paul Silveira?

[Rob Allen]

Post by s***@synmusic.net

Post by Kevin Caffrey
Have listened to it a few times now through YouTube. Not terrible. Reminds me mostly of the studio material from _Keys 2_. So far for me "Believe Again" is the best track. The Howe tracks "Step Beyond" and "It Was All We Knew" are probably the weakest. The ending of Downes' "Subway Walls" is a clear "Aria" (!) retread! :)
Going to listen to it a bit more and I guess I am leaning to purchasing it. Will probably post a full review in a few days.
Kevin
http://www.facebook.com/kevincaffreymusic

Whatever the problems with this album, and there are many, clearly something is very wrong with the band. They have been dropped by their management, the producer didn't even finish the album, Billy Sherwood was parachuted in to do that, the album is already at a discount sale price of $10 which suggests the record company has no faith in it. It's salvage time for the album and the band as far as I can see and the album's not even out yet.
Steve Nardelli

I'd noticed the management change in the album credits. Funny, SHWes concert tickets sold better than they've ever done during this last tour of England. Sold out six venues, including Royal Alpert Hall. So, new, presumably less powerful management...and they finally get a little traction with their concert ticket sales.


Rob "and so the world *is* getting nuttier" Allen
Rob "

[MarkF]

Post by Rob Allen
I'd noticed the management change in the album credits.

Oh, I thought Steve meant that they had been dropped by Paul Silveira,
as in "very recent development". Seems like Silveira has been around at
least since the time that Benoit was canned, so like 2011 or so?

I've lost track, who was the previous management that dropped them back
then?

[Rob Allen]

Post by MarkF

Post by Rob Allen
I'd noticed the management change in the album credits.

Oh, I thought Steve meant that they had been dropped by Paul Silveira,
as in "very recent development". Seems like Silveira has been around at
least since the time that Benoit was canned, so like 2011 or so?
I've lost track, who was the previous management that dropped them back
then?
--
Mark "I'm not keeping up very well, I guess" F
Tales From TopBLOGraphic Oceans
<http://markf-yeselpkrimson.blogspot.com/>

I suspect you're keeping up better than me...I saw the Silveira credits on H&E as an indication of change. I don't remember the name of the last management...I think her last name was Green. Anyway, I rather doubt that Silveira has dropped out at this juncture.


Rob Allen
NP: Fish, _A feast of Consequences_

[MarkF]

Post by Rob Allen
I suspect you're keeping up better than me...I saw the Silveira
credits on H&E as an indication of change. I don't remember the
name of the last management...I think her last name was Green.

Good memory. It was Trudy Green & Danielle Friedman from HK Management,
at least up through the release of _FFH_ & _In The Present: Live From Lyon_.

As recently as 2011, Paul Silveira was the tour manager for Yes and
Asia. I'm not sure, he may still be their tour manager as well as the
managing manager.

[p***@msn.com]

Post by Rob Allen
I suspect you're keeping up better than me...I saw the Silveira
credits on H&E as an indication of change. I don't remember the
name of the last management...I think her last name was Green.

A manager making a difference to this schlock outfit and the crap on the new CD is like saying a new manager would help our Colorado Rockies out here in Denver.

Mickey Mouse or the best manager in the business and it's still blandly written, uninspired and mediocrely performed music...

[s***@synmusic.net]

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Post by Rob Allen
I suspect you're keeping up better than me...I saw the Silveira
credits on H&E as an indication of change. I don't remember the
name of the last management...I think her last name was Green.

Good memory. It was Trudy Green & Danielle Friedman from HK Management,
at least up through the release of _FFH_ & _In The Present: Live From Lyon_.
As recently as 2011, Paul Silveira was the tour manager for Yes and
Asia. I'm not sure, he may still be their tour manager as well as the
managing manager.
--
Mark "does he have any other clients?" F
Tales From TopBLOGraphic Oceans
<http://markf-yeselpkrimson.blogspot.com/>

Paul Silveira has been the Yes tour manager for many years, he also did The Syn tours so I know him very well, and he's an excellent tour manager. He has now replaced Trudy Green, a very high profile music business manager who has managed the Rolling Stones and Def Leopard among many others, as their manager. I think there is a lot going wrong behind the scenes on many levels at the moment centred around problems with the new album.

Steve Nardelli

[p***@msn.com]

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Paul Silveira has been the Yes tour manager for many years, he also did The Syn tours so I know him very well, and he's an excellent tour manager. He has now replaced Trudy Green, a very high profile music business manager who has managed the Rolling Stones and Def Leopard among many others, as their manager. I think there is a lot going wrong behind the scenes on many levels at the moment centred around problems with the new album.

Steve, You are referring to the fact that the new album sucks I assume. Will Paul be able to help it suckless so it can be a success? Probably not, maybe he can talk them in to not playing anything live from the new album with problems around it.

That could have been the title, Yes "Problem Around It and Within It."

Ding dong the band is dead, or should be

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Steve Nardelli

[Kevin Caffrey]

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Post by s***@synmusic.net
Paul Silveira has been the Yes tour manager for many years, he also did The Syn tours so I know him very well, and he's an excellent tour manager. He has now replaced Trudy Green, a very high profile music business manager who has managed the Rolling Stones and Def Leopard among many others, as their manager. I think there is a lot going wrong behind the scenes on many levels at the moment centred around problems with the new album.

Steve, You are referring to the fact that the new album sucks I assume. Will Paul be able to help it suckless so it can be a success? Probably not, maybe he can talk them in to not playing anything live from the new album with problems around it.
That could have been the title, Yes "Problem Around It and Within It."
Ding dong the band is dead, or should be

The album does not suck. It's basically--for better or worse, depending on your take on things--the same we've been getting from the band in terms of new material since the Classic Lineup reunited in 1995. There's much to criticize about it (lack of memorable lyrics, Davison's competent yet "one note" performance, Howe's less-than-stellar contributions), but overall it's really not any different than _The Ladder_ and the studio material on _Keys 1 & 2_. It's probably not as strong as _Fly From Here_ or _Magnification_, but it is MUCH better than _Open Your Eyes_. If we're honest, all of the albums I've just mentioned are in the lower ranks of all of Yes' work so _H&E_ ending up in the same realm cannot really be much of a surprise to fans at this point.

Kevin
http://www.facebook.com/kevincaffreymusic

[p***@msn.com]

Post by Kevin Caffrey
The album does not suck.

Except that actually it does suck.

Post by Kevin Caffrey
It's basically--for better or worse, depending on your take on things--the same we've been getting from the band in terms of new material since the Classic Lineup reunited in 1995.

You are damning it with faint praise my friend, it still sucks.

Post by Kevin Caffrey
There's much to criticize about it (lack of memorable lyrics, Davison's competent yet "one note" performance, Howe's less-than-stellar contributions),

Thank you for pointing out just a few of the really sucky aspects to the album. I don't remember the lyrics so I won't comment on that ;-) But how Davison's one-note performance can be experienced as "competent" is beyond my ears. And Howe's contributions are about all the album has to offer admittedly in a sub-par way.

Post by Kevin Caffrey
but overall it's really not any different than _The Ladder_ and the studio material on _Keys 1 & 2_.

The Ladder has some really fine work on it intermix with some not so fine. This new album has nothing of merit that I can hear.

Post by Kevin Caffrey
It's probably not as strong as _Fly From Here_

FFH was not strong...

Post by Kevin Caffrey
or _Magnification_,

See the Ladder, again a mixed output but with some really good stuff.

Post by Kevin Caffrey
but it is MUCH better than _Open Your Eyes_.

OK, the Archies album is better than OYE...seriously that album sucks...with the exception maybe of Universal Garden which could have maybe been a good YES track, OYE was the single most disappointing work by YES until this tribute band schlock group got together to record FFH and this dreg.

Post by Kevin Caffrey
If we're honest, all of the albums I've just mentioned are in the lower ranks of all of Yes' work so _H&E_ ending up in the same realm cannot really be much of a surprise to fans at this point.

I hope you didn't get the impression I'm surprised that H&E sucks and is such tepid banal crapola. I admit I had a tiny little bit of hope that Davison might inspire these guys to something a bit better than FFH, maybe with some Ladder or Mag type moments. But having listened, I now know that he was not capable of more than writing Jon Anderson imitation lyrics and singing a sub-par Jon Anderson imitation voice. Sure he's a great guy but this album is nothing to be proud of

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Kevin
http://www.facebook.com/kevincaffreymusic

At least the album cover is kind of cool

Jim

[Rob Allen]

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At least the album cover is kind of cool
Jim

I think the album cover looks cheap and uninspired.



Rob "so it's a nice fit for the album" Allen

[c***@gmail.com]

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At least the album cover is kind of cool
Jim

I think the album cover looks cheap and uninspired.
Rob "so it's a nice fit for the album" Allen

Much brighter and gaudier than anything else he's done for Yes. More like and Asia cover

Carl "so it's still a nice fit for the Album" Benson

[p***@msn.com]

Post by MarkF
Just to confuse people...
http://copernicuscenter.org/yes/
"Here's a Great video from *LAST YEAR'S TOUR*. Enjoy!"

with that video promo they might sell out...or they sold out...I mine the tickets you know. ;-)

And what a painful reminder...

Jim

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Post by y***@hotmail.com
"Prog-rock legends Yes have just announced a 35-date U.S. summer tour. For their 2014 dates, Yes will perform 1971's Fragile in its entirety as well as every track from 1972's Close To The Edge, followed by an encore of the band's greatest hits and material off their new studio album, Heaven and Earth, which is due on July 8."
http://www.jambase.com/Articles/121132/Tour-Dates-Yes-U.S-Summer-Tour-2014
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Paul

Great pic. They look like the ministry of magic:

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Even I am hesitant. We've got close-up seats for Neko Case the week before Yes is nearby. Neko records at the biggest nearby town here in northern Vermont: St. Johnsbury -- she bought a building. Lives somewhere nearby.

My wife isn't thrilled with Hampton Beach Casino. Can't say the trek to Boston is worth it...maybe after we see a setlist.

I'm telling myself (in denial), that the Cruise will take the place of going to many concerts.

We go to a tiny place in White River Junction, Vermont. We had first row seats for Stanley Clarke just a few weeks ago. That's worth it.

Greatest Hits? Same old stuff? We've had Gates, we'll most likely never hear Sound Chaser. There have been coughs about To Be Over.

I will test myself to wait for the DVD.

Bill M.

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Post by y***@hotmail.com
"Prog-rock legends Yes have just announced a 35-date U.S. summer tour. For their 2014 dates, Yes will perform 1971's Fragile in its entirety as well as every track from 1972's Close To The Edge, followed by an encore of the band's greatest hits and material off their new studio album, Heaven and Earth, which is due on July 8."

Playing music that has Jon's energy all over it. These guys are shameless.

Maybe they'll play Jon's Heaven and Earth on this tour - now that would be interesting. ;-)

Jim

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Post by y***@hotmail.com
"Prog-rock legends Yes have just announced a 35-date U.S. summer tour. For their 2014 dates, Yes will perform 1971's Fragile in its entirety as well as every track from 1972's Close To The Edge, followed by an encore of the band's greatest hits and material off their new studio album, Heaven and Earth, which is due on July 8."
http://www.jambase.com/Articles/121132/Tour-Dates-Yes-U.S-Summer-Tour-2014
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Paul

First of all, even if the CD does suck, it doesn't suck any worse than FFH, and this certainly wouldn't spell doom and gloom any more than the band's current state of Doom and Gloom. What's the fallout of a sucky album? Having to play 1500 seat venues and sometimes not selling them out? Taking a break from touring? Watering down their already watered down legacy? All these things are already occuring and they know it. Hell, they all pretty much admit that FFH was a terrible idea. I think what the new album could have done had it been good ws to increase their venue size, garner some momentum, and give the fanbase (or what's left of it) confidence in Davison, and possibly warrant a follow up. It's not like the suckiness of HE will make things noticeably worse than they already are. Mostly what's going on in this thread is Nardelli's unreasonable mad on for SHWes moreso than the rest of us.

And for the record, the post 95 ranking is as follows:

1) Key Studio stuff - there's some great material here, and some near miss epics, but it begins the era of "I couldn't make this work solo 8 years ago, so you guys see what you can do"

2) TL/Mag (Tie) - some decent band efforts on both of these CD's and plenty to enjoy, but the former tries to hard to cram something radio friendly down our throats while the latter (heh) lacks theme(another post 95 downfall) and direction

3) FFH - the suite itself is interesting, and they try to fill it with little yesism's but this is really half an hour of buggles and a bunch of solo ideas. The few minutes of Yes material is from the guy they kicked out.

4) HE - it claims to be all newly written by the band, but we all know that isn't true, no theme, on no track does everyone excel (while there are some nice individual efforts), we were led to beleive that JD would astound us, but he didn't, and it's not his fault.


5) The Billy Sherwood Garage Tapes (OYE) - no comments needed

Again, this CD will no more doom them than savethem. They are doomed with or without it. The best we can hope for is a break from touring, and the return of JA, and RW, and maybe even TR, for a final round of new material (which will be just as hit or miss) and a limited high profile tour.


Carl "I'm not as skeptical as this post makes me look" Benson

HELP MY WIFE AND I 'WALK ALL OVER' BREAST CANCER
http://www.the3day.org/goto/PhillyCarl2014

[inelegy]

3) FFH - the suite itself is interesting, and they try to fill it with little >yesism's but this is really half an hour of buggles and a bunch of solo ideas. >The few minutes of Yes material is from the guy they kicked out.

It's been a couple of years since I posted my fix of the missed-epic "Fly From Here", so (for anyone who missed it) here again is my attempt to improve the suite that could've been a new epic if only they'd taken the time to properly stitch it all together:

https://mega.co.nz/#!aZ9GVL5B!O13UnTsmqvgv3QKoLO3l1BPYoEJzW26LD5GRpCM0i7I

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Post by inelegy

3) FFH - the suite itself is interesting, and they try to fill it with little >yesism's but this is really half an hour of buggles and a bunch of solo ideas. >The few minutes of Yes material is from the guy they kicked out.

https://mega.co.nz/#!aZ9GVL5B!O13UnTsmqvgv3QKoLO3l1BPYoEJzW26LD5GRpCM0i7I

What would have fixed, I thought back then, was to not devote so much energy to a little 4 minute throwaway Buggles tune as the heart of an "epic." But with H&E, it is confirmed that the blandness of FFH was all that they were capable of. And with H&E, the only thing approaching YES-ness is Dean's cover...

But thanks for trying to fix it. It just shows that it's not about a producer or how this new music is mixed. It's about how it sucks

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Anyone think this is an accurate or honest assessment of H&E?

'Heaven and Earth' contains eight new tracks, each of which boasts the unique musicianship and craftsmanship that have come to be known as 'the YES sound.' YES' distinctive layered music, swirling arrangements, brilliant vocals and harmonies are all in abundance. 'Heaven and Earth' is an album sure to please both long-time and new YES fans.

That's their own marketing material:

unique musicianship and craftsmanship?

the YES Sound?

distinctive layered music? well muddled maybe...

Swirling arrangements? I think they mean the flush of the toilet bowl for YES

Brilliant vocals and harmonies? Stop, make it stop!

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Post by c***@gmail.com

Post by y***@hotmail.com
"Prog-rock legends Yes have just announced a 35-date U.S. summer tour. For their 2014 dates, Yes will perform 1971's Fragile in its entirety as well as every track from 1972's Close To The Edge, followed by an encore of the band's greatest hits and material off their new studio album, Heaven and Earth, which is due on July 8."
http://www.jambase.com/Articles/121132/Tour-Dates-Yes-U.S-Summer-Tour-2014
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Paul

First of all, even if the CD does suck, it doesn't suck any worse than FFH, and this certainly wouldn't spell doom and gloom any more than the band's current state of Doom and Gloom. What's the fallout of a sucky album? Having to play 1500 seat venues and sometimes not selling them out? Taking a break from touring? Watering down their already watered down legacy? All these things are already occuring and they know it. Hell, they all pretty much admit that FFH was a terrible idea. I think what the new album could have done had it been good ws to increase their venue size, garner some momentum, and give the fanbase (or what's left of it) confidence in Davison, and possibly warrant a follow up. It's not like the suckiness of HE will make things noticeably worse than they already are. Mostly what's going on in this thread is Nardelli's unreasonable mad on for SHWes moreso than the rest of us.

Carl, I agree with most of what you say except I'm not mad with HSWes, rather just interested in what they get up to and consistently disappointed. This album is a real low point for me and indicative of their steady state of decline into tribute band nostalgia. I have nothing against them personally.

Steve